THE DEBRIEF #28 Hosted by Zero Limits Podcast Matty Morris with former guest EP.246 Scott Jones aka St Scojo and Chris Katelaris aka Big Chocky

SPEAKER_00 2:01

It's time for the Zero Limits Podcast, hosted by Australian veterans. Chatting with high-charging humans with hectic stories from around the world, we'll give you the motivation to take on whatever life throws at you in the game to complete any goal you set your money to. Let's go.

SPEAKER_04 2:32

Newcastle studio, special guests, guests in the studio. The man, the myth, the legend. They call him oh his real name's Christopher Cadillais. AKA. Big shocking. AKA. Special K. Special K.

SPEAKER_02 2:52

Nothing like a bit of ketamine.

SPEAKER_04 2:54

Uh Chockmate, how you doing? Good, man. I mean, it's been a while since you've sat in that seat. Uh over a year now. We spoke about this, I think, last couple of weeks. We spoke about the last time we sat there.

SPEAKER_02 3:04

Yeah, first time would have been a year ago. And then I believe I came back December after Bondi.

SPEAKER_04 3:10

Oh, you did too?

SPEAKER_03 3:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:11

So it's been what? I don't know how many months it is. It's too early in the morning. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:17

How you been? Everything's good. Living large. Yeah. Life's good. Yeah, smashing it. Obviously, smashing it on content. Your follower base is growing, and you know, you're you're hitting some pertinent uh points and you know, speaking for the people.

SPEAKER_02 3:30

Stirring the pot. Stirring the pot. Doing what I do best. Yep. Catching Nick McKenzie out being a fuckwit.

SPEAKER_04 3:36

There's plenty of living large. You've been doing that for a long time. Living large. Third person, you know, I think you might have heard him before. Everyone knows him. They call him the saint. They call him Skojo. They call him Majority of people love this guy, except for the government. Yeah. That's about it. But uh people the people of Afghanistan. Yeah, they don't like him. And ISIL. And yeah, well, the man that won uh Mosul.

SPEAKER_01 4:02

How you doing? Oh yeah, did win a war, didn't I? That can't be said for a lot of people in Canberra. A lot of instructors at the Royal Military College. Why would you have someone instruct you at the Royal Military College if they've never won a war? It'd be like getting, you know, the worst golf coach in the world to teach you golf, or the worst boxing coach in the world who's been knocked down a hundred times to teach you boxing. They've got officers down in Canberra teaching people about leadership and military operations. And all they know is losing. Anyways.

SPEAKER_04 4:35

Anyway, boys, uh catch up again since our last debrief. Plenty of things have happened throughout that time and more specifically now. There's just tons of stuff going on. We spoke about Bondi, which we'll probably talk about today, more about the the guns and the illegal gun crime that's happening. Old Yasmin and Chris Minnes sinking ship, absolute sinking ship. Uh, there's been a couple innocent shootings in the last week. By the time this potty this podcast is gonna get pushed out, by the way, like straight away. I'm gonna rip this today and send it out. So it's gonna be out there. And actually, if you are in Newcastle, this is coming out today. We're gonna be down watching a bit of medieval fighting at the foreshore.

SPEAKER_02 5:19

Fuck no.

SPEAKER_04 5:20

We're going to see uh Sam Ryan. Sam Ride, he's doing a bit of fuck on. Yeah, doing some butthurt or boo hurt as they call him. We call it butthurt.

SPEAKER_02 5:27

We've been calling it butthurt because I don't know how to say the word.

SPEAKER_04 5:31

But yeah, boys, shout out to Hesto. But we'll start off with the the the innocent shootings. You've just done a reel on this, uh, Chalk, and it's getting concerning, really concerning, because these people are obviously paying these young kids to just hit whatever, and there's no there's zero intelligence given to these kids. You know, well we come from a background where when you're when you're targeting something, you get full intelligence packages and you understand what's at that target, and if it's a dry hole, it's a dry hole. But if it's not, you make sure it's the right target, which there's been m multiple scenarios like that. But these obviously they're paying these kids tons of money to just go and do things regardless if they're wrong and right. What what's going on here?

SPEAKER_02 6:20

It is out of control. Two innocents hit, I think, within 24 hours of one another, if not 36 hours, it's insane. There seem to be rumors going around that real estate agents are selling off information, which raises a question and should raise eyebrows for everyone. But again, the fact that the New South Wales government are coming down heavy at the moment on your legal firearm owner while we have gang crime through the roof, killing innocents, it's a real fucking problem, man. And I mean, underworld crime is never ever gonna stop, but the government have or they should be focusing far more on solving that problem than scrutinizing people like yourself, who is a legal firearm owner that jumps through all the fucking hoops of the government, you know, and I mean the second hit was a daylight shooting, he was shot in front of two children that were like five meters away. The first one, they stormed the house, started screaming at the bloke saying, Did you do the shooting? Did you do the shooting? He's obviously shitting his pants, probably said, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about, and they shot him in the neck in his family home. And apparently he was a oh, I'm gonna forget, he was studying to be something in medicine. A nerd, you know. Yeah, just a normal kid, man. Literally, just a normal kid. Yeah, and you can't even say wrong place, wrong time, because it's his fucking home.

SPEAKER_03 7:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:50

Just poor information.

SPEAKER_01 7:52

I actually grew up one street from where it happened in that same suburb in Glen Alpine. Shout out to Glen Alpine, and it is a nice area, it is not it is not Maryland's, it is not Greystains, it's fucked, man.

SPEAKER_02 8:04

It's actually, it is a real, real problem. And for Catley to come out, which she did, and we have on tape, so you can't fact check this one saying we're wrong. Um said that this is not out of control. That's fucking insane. How is it not out of control? Like, at what point do you look at yourself and think, fuck, I've got to give the cops more powers to go after these cunts because innocent people are dying. I believe there's been six innocents killed in a year, 51 shootings since January.

SPEAKER_04 8:38

51 shootings, and some of those shootings have included automatic weapons. Exactly right, you know, uh imported, and we've seen it where they've discarded these firearms on the ground, which shows there is a ton more out there. They don't give a fuck about it. They don't take it because they've got tons more out there, exactly right, which is wild.

SPEAKER_02 8:58

Exactly right. I'm pretty sure most of the footage that we see come out that gets sent to different journos that they post up, it's all automatic firearms. It is very rarely are we seeing a pistol or anything, it's just crazy. It's all automatic. That warrants out of control, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_04 9:14

100%. And Yasmin's come out and said, you know, and again, I I put up that post, I did a podcast with uh Scojo's golfing partner, Max Mitchell, played golf. Oh, shout out to Maxie. Yeah, on your max former assistant commissioner, and he spoke about what police ministers should be doing. The police minister he had, I forgot his name, Mike Burke or something, I can't remember. He said basically that police minister literally just sat in his office, signed paperwork, did his things. If it was something political, then he'd put put his head out there. If it was anything operational policing, the police commission commissioner got up. All the 17 assistant commissioners, or then I think there's three deputies as well. So there's plenty out there, and he sp he spoke it well. Like he's just like, she should not be up there taking lead on anything operational. Sit back, let Malanian take control, give the police what they need to stop this from happening.

SPEAKER_01 10:10

Agree. Agree. Isn't she just a librarian? If if I wanted advice on where the non-fiction section is in the library, I'd hit her up. But if I wanted advice on counter-terrorism matters, I'd ask someone who knows about counterterrorism. It's all right, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 10:23

It's funny, someone questioned me on that the other day. What do you mean, tell her to go back to the library? And if you Google Yasm Catley's name, it literally says profession librarian. That's Swansea. That's fucking amazing. Yeah. That's that yeah, exactly right. Minister for police and counter-terrorism profession librarian.

SPEAKER_04 10:41

Is a is a life politician. What's her name? But yeah, the the the gun crime, it's just it it it it is out of control. And like you said, like what they're trying to do is punish the law-abiding citizen for one event that happened, uh, you know, more specifically Bondi, which wasn't a a legal firearms fucking issue, it was a governmental issue. Correct. They're the ones that allowed it to happen. There was a breakdown in ASIO, like they've they're still, you know, with the with the legislation, everywhere indicates in there that there's a failure within government, but they're they're gonna take away my little 22 because it's it's dangerous. Yeah, it's deadly.

SPEAKER_02 11:30

It's it's crazy. It's it's it's insane. And then just yesterday, I believe, I think we were speaking about it, Tony Abbott came out and conceded that the AFP or ASIO, I'll have to check it. I think it's the ASIO. ASIO came out and said that we were instructed by Albanese Labour government to stop focusing on Islamic extremism and start focusing on the far right. Like, and then you walk into Bondi. So why they, again, coming back to firearms and legal ones, why blame that when they moved resources?

SPEAKER_04 12:08

Yeah, it's fucked. That it doesn't make sense. And then what they the New South Wales government or the federal government put that $50 million into Islamophobia. Yep. Well, I'll tell you for a fact, there wouldn't be Islamophobia if there wasn't a fucking shooting at Bondi. Pretty soon. You know?

SPEAKER_02 12:21

It's pretty fucking don't bring the ISIS prize home.

SPEAKER_04 12:24

We're exactly right.

SPEAKER_02 12:25

That's that's another one. Don't suggest that you're gonna bring ISIS fighters home. We would that was wild.

SPEAKER_04 12:30

To even suggest that. Like this is where you know, you look at other countries like like the US, Trump would have straight up gone, I'm bumming them guys. I'm gonna kill them. It's wonderful. Do you know what I mean? Like that's whereas ours like, yeah, um, you know, we're we yeah, we we might let them back in. We might try and block them.

SPEAKER_02 12:51

We'll we'll assess each individual person on their merit. And the govern the government tried to say here, it's like, oh well, if they've if they've uh partaken in criminal activity, we should bring them back here and and then deal with them here. It's like, what are you gonna do? Put them in jail at $300,000 a year plus on the taxpayer.

SPEAKER_04 13:07

That's not dealing with it. Counterterrorism ring is way more, costs way more.

SPEAKER_02 13:10

Yeah, that is a breeze to them from wherever the fuck they are right now. They're in an Afghan prison, aren't they? Don't know, they're in the middle of fucking nowhere. Probably yeah, here would be a fucking dream. Imagine a jail here compared to Afghan. Golden super mosque.

SPEAKER_04 13:25

That's it, yeah. If any yeah, if anyone knows what a Afghan prison looks like, Rob Langdon. Yeah, ask him, mate. Seven years in a in a prison out there. Fuck that. Yeah, you actually become good friends with the education minister of the Taliban right now.

SPEAKER_02 13:39

Yeah. It's pretty crazy. Crazy story. Cunt's fucked. It's just fucked. It's fucked. It doesn't make any sense. Makes no sense at all. They want to continue to scrutinize the everyday Australian loving fucking citizen. They want to suggest to bring back people that hate Australia. They want to take legal guns away, but they'll do fuck all about fully automatic firearms, killing innocent people. And here we are. And we're far right for loving Australia. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:05

And just on that, far right. You know, they've like you said, then they've they're focusing on the far. What is the far right? I haven't seen anything. You know, there's the Thomas Sewell out there. Um, but they're not. When I picture far right, I'm picturing maybe the Christchurch shooter. That's far right, isn't it? That's that's far, far right. That's terrorism.

SPEAKER_02 14:24

That's that's terrorism far right. And it's it it is it's amusing, right? Like as much as I butt heads with these NSN dudes, you look at them and a lot of them are just dejected young white men that are sick of seeing fucking immigrants come here and I don't know, stab women randomly or fucking rape women, children, whatever it is. They're sick of it. So for the government to label them far right, it's just a sort of scapegoat to make them out to be far worse than they are. But again, we're all considered far right extremists. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:52

And that's wild. It's also a tool, obviously, for the police to have powers to get warrants to digitally surveil your phone, you need to breach certain thresholds. And if you label them as far right, then they can be looked at under the Terrorism Act, which gives police more powers. I think personally, that's why they do it. They label them as a certain thing, which gives them more powers to access certain intelligence on those individuals where normally they could not do that.

SPEAKER_04 15:20

But what's the point? Because majority of these people aren't gonna do any terrorism offences, they're just you know portraying who they are and what they believe in, you know. Like the risk of them doing something, I reckon it's absolutely it's minimal. It's and it has shown in the past when what has happened.

SPEAKER_02 15:35

In terms of large scale them doing anything, slim to fucking done. Like in terms of them maybe having a brawl with Antifa at a fucking rally, probably high. But play on. Who doesn't? Yeah, who doesn't want to do that? Does that hurt the fucking everyday civilian? No. Like whatever, you're gonna let them go. But it is like Scojo said, like, they want to keep an eye on all of us, them, whatever we fucking you want to call us. And where the fuck was I going with this? Brain fart. Something about Auschwitz. You're the fucking cook this card. Oh, okay. So the reason why they do the reason why they want to pay attention and the reason why they want to watch what we're doing is because they're losing control of the narrative.

SPEAKER_03 16:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:20

They are losing control of the narrative, the politicians, that is. So then the politician are then leveraging the police, AFP, AZO, whatever, to try and shut us all down because we are now at a point where we truly are influencing the Australian public larger than ever before. You know, like you look at accounts like myself, yours, you, Scojo, um, Sam Bamford, and other lads that are getting more and more and more traction, they're waking up the public to what's happening. So you're gonna end up with more and more and more people upset about what's going on, and they're trying to stop that. Yeah. That's all I can think it is. Like, how can you call me far right when I just say I just want Australia to be fucking normal? You're also black as well. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 17:03

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 17:05

Some shit Nazi I am. Yeah, fuck. String myself up. Isn't that funny too?

SPEAKER_04 17:09

Like people call you racist a lot.

SPEAKER_02 17:11

Bro, I'm like, uh I don't know, like sitting in a room sitting in a room with an Asian fella and a fucking convict. I'm I'm so racist. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:20

I'd uh easily look like the poster boy for for the far right. I like black chicks, man. Yeah, I I like Latinas. So big boot him mummers. Forgive me, Hitler. I have race mixed.

SPEAKER_02 17:36

It's it's actually, yeah, it's wild, and it's funny. Like, I I know for a fact that the mainstream media consider me as one of these far right wing commentators, and I'm racist and I'm this and that. But again, like like you just said, man, dark skin. I don't know, I don't hate myself. I've got islander mates, I got fucking mates from all walks of life.

SPEAKER_04 17:53

Exactly, and you just want this country and you know, there's there's left and right, Muslims, Asians, Chinese, Christians, Catholics, whatever real Australians just want this place to be what it used to be. Exactly right. Just what it used to be. I literally was just watching a YouTube clip last night, or I think it might have been on Instagram. Someone was commenting on a a chick in in Japan, and she goes out at 3 a.m. in the morning and goes plays basketball, and it's just it's just happy. Like there's no crime, there's no, you know, there's a couple of drunk chaps around kicking around, but that's the same as anywhere. But it was just you could do that. Well, we used to be able to do that, where you could just go do things without someone storming your house. You know what?

SPEAKER_02 18:36

I could almost guarantee, I could guarantee, right? Let's say you walk through Newy, Sydney, Gold Coast, and you ask women how comfortable they are on their own on the street at 3 a.m., 4 a.m., even if they're getting up early, not coming home late. I could almost guarantee 99% would say I'm not comfortable. 100%. And that that shows you a failing society. Like the women should feel very, very comfortable at all times. But it's not. Like you look at the story, and I know we're gonna jump forward a bit in our little fucking points that we had. You look at what happened in Victoria with the mum whose fucking 10-year-old son with a brain tumor got punched in the head by I can't call him an immigrant because apparently he's fucking born here. Um just a crazy cunt, right? Absolutely crazy cunt. Why would any woman or mum feel safe with their kids after seeing a story like that? Yeah, it's fucked up, man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:30

And that that girl who got stabbed in Melbourne, you know, a few months ago, just walking and the Asian chick just walking down the fucking road. Yeah, and that cooked fucking on bail. On bail, junkie, shift, shifts, straight in the lung. Straight in the lung. Boom! And then just keeps running. And just keeps running. Right. Well, I can on bail. That probably leads us into the on bail thing in this, you know, with uh Oliver Conroy. Conroy. Obviously, he was uh he died a couple of days ago from an incident that happened two weeks ago, three weeks ago. I think it was oh I don't know, I'll check the dates. Was it? Yeah, something like that. August, yeah. Sorry. Got the dates wrong there. But um similar thing for that. Like the justice system has just let this one of those kids, he's 14 or 15. I believe 15. 15 out on bail because his parents paid 40 grand. They said the defence said he was sitting in the back seat of the car, so he wasn't involved. But there's video of him punching and kicking Oliver on the ground. He was Snapchat, innit? Yeah, exactly right. He's part of the Snapchat stories and the justice system. And why is everyone overlooking the justice system? I've started calling out some of these the judges. Yeah, the judges on your on your on your uh post now just because they need to be exposed. These people need to be exposed.

SPEAKER_02 20:50

What's interesting is that the judge conceded that the evidence against this young individual was overwhelming. Or very strong, if not overwhelming, was the exact terminology, right? So why let him out? Who cares about 40 grand? Who cares if he's on home arrest with a fucking ankle monitor and his parents have to call if he fucking leaves? Like, if the judge is saying that what we have or what the prosecution has against you is fucking overwhelming, you should not go home.

SPEAKER_03 21:18

No.

SPEAKER_02 21:19

Because there's a he was 27, yeah, 27-year-old who got fucking flogged and then run over by his own car over his head. The news reports even say it. And that's not contested fact. So how the fuck is one of the little shits going home? And I know like we like to say, look, it's innocent until proven guilty, but there's a dead guy who got run over. Like I said, facts are not contested. And in Queensland, for the adult time adult crime, if you are convicted of murder, it is a mandatory life sentence, they say. So that's a minimum of 20 years with no parole. How do you get bail on that? Yeah, I don't know. Like and they and they have footage of him beating him up. And it was interesting, I was when I was digging into this yesterday, because we wrote, oh, I wrote an article on it. Um there's a question that the prosecution have put up. It's like, okay, well, yes, he was run over, but how do we know that the injuries that he sustained during the beating didn't um start, I'm trying to think of the fucking right words, like didn't lead on to his death as well as the running over. Yeah. Right? So then if that is the case, the individual that beat the fuck out of him, irrespective of him sitting in the backseat of the car, you're still part of a murder. Part of the crime, yeah. You're still part of it. You fucking if you hit him in the head or jumped on his head and he started bleeding in the brain, and then you run him over, you were still part of his death. It just it it makes no sense to give him bail. And then Chris of Lee, I think his name is.

SPEAKER_04 22:47

Yeah, David Christopher Foley, obviously, I sent that last night. 23 hours prior, he puts up a post. I thought, you know, he probably is, he is probably one of the better politicians out there, but I'm starting to see that it's just words now. Yeah, it's you know, like 23 hours early, he's like, he puts a post up saying, Yeah, I'm gonna strengthen bail laws and blah blah blah. And then this happens and this kid gets out. I'm like, bro, like bro.

SPEAKER_02 23:11

It's wild. So there's so seven teenagers that were charged with murder, five boys aged between 15 to 17, two girls aged 14 and 15. All of them charged with murder. Wild. And then yeah, like you said, Christopher comes out saying, We've got tough bail laws. It's like, hang on a second. I think yeah, yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 23:33

Uh these pollies, man. These polys, and like you've said, you know, these pollies it's really good again with your content. You stay impartial to fuck them all. You know, they're they're they're all the same. There's there's there is a couple of good ones out there. But still they have their hidden agendas. Of course, man. You know, that's that that's politics.

SPEAKER_02 23:53

I love staying impartial because you can sling shit at every side. Yeah. You know? No one's safe. No one's safe. Fuck no. Because as soon as people start taking sides in the political game, and this is my opinion, you will start turning a blind eye on the side that you've taken. And we're not at a time where that can be a thing in Australia. Because once hidden agenda starts shining through, the person that stands for that party loses all credibility. Because imagine someone that stood up for the Labour Party for so long. Now imagine trying to stand up for the Labour Party. You look like a fucking dickhead.

SPEAKER_01 24:25

Shout out to friendly Geordie.

SPEAKER_02 24:30

I stand by what I said. You look like a fucking dickhead, right? But then imagine, imagine someone standing staunch for one nation as an example. Right? But let's say Pauline fucks everyone over in three years' time. Imagine. I'm not saying she will, but you didn't call out any of the nefarious things that Pauline may have done in that time, you lose your credibility because you're just another, not necessarily paid, but you're just another fucking blind-sided supporter for a party. We don't need that now.

SPEAKER_03 24:57

No.

SPEAKER_02 24:57

We need people to be held to account for what they say and what they do and the way they lead the country.

SPEAKER_01 25:05

What's your thoughts, Scott? Oh look. I'm not a political guy. We've seen them all, we've worked with them all. They're all uh they're all the same. They're all cut from the same cloth, aren't they? Yeah, yeah. We've I've been in I was in Afghan with Kevin Rudd, who was like the shining light of the Labour Party. Tony Abbott used to come and do PT with us at work. Um Malcolm Turnbull, I've sat there and briefed him into capabilities. Like it's not. I've met them all and I haven't been impressed with a lot of them.

SPEAKER_04 25:34

Yeah, that's sad, isn't it? That's sad. But you can see mate, the political left, it's pretty much our government, Labour, Liberal Party, they're very, very soft. They are soft. Very, very soft. And you know, it's shown because look at the look at the crime. Look at the state of Australia. Look at the state of Australia. And Chris Mins is over in India at the moment. Fuck is it? What's going on there? What's what's going on there? Like, why is it a New South Wales state premier? Scojo's itching to talk. Why is he in India?

SPEAKER_02 26:08

Is he on holiday? But why the wild the wildest part that came out of it, the notice of first did an article on it, and I and I saw it, and I was like, okay, the notice of said it. But then it came out on Chris Minnes's page and other pages, and they were like, he's welcoming more immigration. Hello, dickhead. No, we aren't. No, sorry, we aren't welcoming more immigration. No. You might want it so you can get voted in again. We don't want that shit. Yeah. Sorry. I just thought it I found it weird. It is weird.

SPEAKER_04 26:34

Like if he was on holidays in Calcutta, fucking fair. Tone deaf. Keep it off your fucking socials. Make it a holiday only. Yeah. But you're over there promoting it on your premier page.

SPEAKER_02 26:44

Which is odd, like you said, why a state poly's doing that? It's not a state poly job. Bro's getting lost in the butter chicken, man. Fucking dead.

SPEAKER_04 26:57

It is um interesting. It's fucking retarded. Because, yeah, like you said, immigration, and obviously there's a bit of a bit of an immigration policy breakdown within one nation as well. They've got no idea what's going on. One says this, one says that, and their website says something different.

SPEAKER_02 27:15

I think that's one see that's that's really interesting as well. The fact that we'd seen a breakdown in communication within one nation already. That should ring alarm bells. Like I understand, and I say this all the time, I understand why so many Australians like One Nation because it's a new flavour. Something new, Pauline seems like a hard ass around crime and immigration and all this shit. But the first time they as a party get put on a spot in an awkward position, it's like they all turn on each other. You can't have that. You can't have that. And I mean, it comes back to what I said that people just should hold the party accountable. Instead of fucking jumping down anyone's throat that called it out, being like, oh, well, one nation's the best we have. It's like, okay, well, they fucked up. It's up to us to hold them accountable so they don't do that again. Why is it difficult, man? Like, why is it so emotionally charged? You know what I mean? People are batting for Pauline like she's their fucking grandma. It's like, hey, leave Nan alone. Yeah, can't hold Nan fucking accountable.

SPEAKER_04 28:10

Yeah. It's not hard. But like you said, you can see why people are leaning towards one nation because you know, new flavour, baby. It is a new flavor, but it's also they do speak a lot of common sense. Of course. You know, bring Australia back to the way it used to be, just Australia. Yeah. We don't care where you come from, what you look like, just fit in. Just wear the Australian flag with pride and contribute to society. Isn't it? It's not a hard concept. Not hard. Fit in, but we're getting all these people in and they're stabbing people, and Melbourne's out of control. New South Wales is now out of control.

SPEAKER_02 28:46

New South Wales is out of control in a different manner, though. Like I feel as though Melbourne is teen gangs running a fucking muck, which scares the fuck out of the public. Yes, we've seen innocent lives taken, but not in attempts of underworld hits. Whereas here you've got underworld hits going wrong on poor Int taking innocent lives. To be honest, I actually think that's scarier because you've got cunts with fucking guns coming to your house. That's fucked. Like, and that's not me downplaying the fact that someone on a at your front door with a machete is not scary for a lot of people. Like, fuck, that'd scare the shit out of most, right? But if you have some big fucker kicking down your front door with a semi-automatic pistol or a fully automatic rifle, that's fucked because you aren't surviving. Scojo's had that.

SPEAKER_01 29:33

I have had that, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:37

Shout out.

SPEAKER_01 29:37

Shout to the boys. Shout shout out to Pause. But yeah, what about the trade? He's had a big day of like being a sparky up in someone's roof cavity all day, sweating his ass off, knocks off work. He just wants to go inside and have a fucking ice cold Mountain Dew. And he just hops out of the car in front of his kids and they smoke him in the back of the head. It's fucked, man.

SPEAKER_02 29:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:59

It's fucked.

SPEAKER_02 30:00

Yeah. And I mean, like, the problem is what can the people do about it? Like, this is where you should actually look to the government and look to the police and say, guys, like, this is this is your fucking cup of tea. We can't go fight that.

SPEAKER_04 30:13

And that's what Yasmin should be doing. Yeah. She should be turning on on the TV screen saying, this is what we're going to do. Well, they're going to give the police whatever the fuck they want. If you cause crime, guess what? We're coming for you. We're coming for you. We are coming for you. Like they do in the US. I saw that uh sheriff uh uh Kefs Keefson or something. Chief Keefe. Chief Keefe, that's why. Sosa. He literally, there's an ad where he gets all the police, his whole sheriff department in a line. They've all got their guns out, and they name all these criminals, and they said, if you want a gunfight, here we are. Fuck. I'm like, yes. That is that's the type of fucking police we need. Yeah, we want you to stop crime, whatever means possible. None of this fucking tasering bullshit. Shoot these cunts in the fucking face. Love that. Simple.

SPEAKER_02 31:03

Love that. Yeah. It's fucked, man. It's it's wild. And I mean it's it's crazy because you see police get reprimanded for fucking putting the fear of God into people. Why? Man, I said it the first time I ever came on your potty. Like, I remember when I was growing up, we saw coppers rock up and we're like, fuck, we're getting flogged. But it made you rethink what you were doing. Now, bro, they fucking push a kid and the cop's in trouble, and the kid's like, oh, you fucking push me. Shut the fuck up.

SPEAKER_04 31:33

Yeah, I feel sorry for the cops. You know, I know a lot, we all three of us know a lot of cops out there, and absolute there's a lot of stellar human beings trying to make, you know, make a difference within the communities and make these communities safe, but they're hamstrung.

SPEAKER_02 31:46

And like you said, there's I mean, you look at Zach Rolfe. Zach's a perfect example, right? Perfect example. And all your listeners probably know the story far better.

SPEAKER_04 31:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:56

Perfect example. Triple tuck Zach. Shout outs, cuz.

SPEAKER_04 32:00

Yeah, Zach. He is a legend, but yeah, no, you're exactly right. He was getting stabbed. Not to mention the guy previously, two or three days prior, chased other cops out with a fucking tomahawk. And they're still like, and the government was like, oh, don't shoot. We'll just get his uncle to you know go talk to him.

SPEAKER_02 32:25

Someone will think that was me. It was you. But yeah, it's wild. Like go like deal with the problem. It's crazy. Like a perfect example for Zach. His life was in danger. He did what his training told him to do. He got crucified for it. The fuck? He's not the only one either, yeah. No, that's right, he's not the only one. But like, how how can that compute? Why why would any cop want to stay in the force after hearing something like that? You're about to get shivved with scissors, which could very well end your life. And if you act and save your life, you're fucked. Make it make sense.

SPEAKER_04 33:06

Yeah, I don't know. Don't know that. I think New South Wales actually Chris Minz again put up a post or Yasmin did. The biggest uh academy they had uh graduating class the other day. Just went through. Yeah, just went through. Quantity over quality, or I reckon there's gonna be a lot of like shout out to all the cops out there, but I guarantee there's gonna be a lot of shit cops that come out of that class.

SPEAKER_02 33:26

I had a I guarantee fucking tee it. I had a mate that just went through the academy. And uh, an insider. There was an instructor there who fucking hates all of us, was very loud and vocal about that. What's his name? Um, I can't remember. Murph probably locked him in a lot of the one. He's the protocol officer for all the cops listening. He's the current protocol officer at the academy.

SPEAKER_03 33:46

What a homo.

SPEAKER_02 33:48

But my mate, who is a former, he's a veteran himself, he was only in for a few years because no wartime. He said it wasn't exciting enough. He said out of his whole class he would probably trust three individuals to have him his back.

SPEAKER_04 34:02

And how big was that class?

SPEAKER_02 34:03

Fuck man, 40, 50. It's crazy, isn't it? Here's one for you. And no, I can't fact check this. There was an individual in the class that allegedly had been cured from autism so he could pass. That's the only true. I'm not fucking lying. I know I'm laughing because it's fucking ridiculous. When he called me, he called me on a break that he had, and he goes, dude, I need to talk to you. I said, What's wrong? There he goes, there is a cunt here that they allege has been cured from autism so he can join the cops. What is the cure? There is no fucking cure. Fuck me, man. Like, this is the level that we're at. Well, yeah, well, like I said, it's quantity over quality. You're gonna end up with pen pushers and and young kids that aren't prepared for what they're gonna see. Like, example, right? Again, I'm throwing mate somewhat under the bus. So I gifted him a really hectic knife for when he got in. Caught up with him the other day. I go, how's it going? He goes, I used your knife the other day. I said, Oh yeah. He goes, I had to cut some cunt down. He's strung himself up. He was still warm. So you think about this class, right, that's just come through. If they're all fresh out of school, they've never seen blood, gore, death, they're about to see all of that, and they're all about to be fucking PTSD leave for the rest of their lives because they're not prepared for them.

SPEAKER_03 35:17

No.

SPEAKER_02 35:18

Our society doesn't make people that are ready for this shit. No, you know, in any way, shape, or form. Because all the people that would want to join the cops aren't the sort of people that are criminals that do see that shit. There's a complete disconnect between it, man. And like I I I I asked him, I go, You alright? Like, I have to cutting him down. He goes, Yeah, it fucking did my head in Ambos took 30 minutes and we had to do CPR and a cold dude. And I'm like, fuck. Imagine a 19-year-old fresh out of school having to do that. Yeah. It'll fuck him up.

SPEAKER_04 35:46

Especially with the social media of New South Wales Police, the rubbish they put on there. LGBTLA's on officers. What happened to the days like us growing up watching cops, you know, the US cops? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:56

Well it's even like um who's it fucking what's his page? Nico's page? Osvet cop? Yeah, Matt Douglason. The content he does, yeah. Give that to the fucking police. That's what they should be doing. Join here. That's it. Bro. That's that's exactly right. Fucking cars, ramming cars, lads jumping out, ripping fucking crimson out.

SPEAKER_04 36:14

Same as ADF. That's what they should be getting helmet cam footage. Yeah, man. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:18

I'll give it to you. Just ask us.

SPEAKER_04 36:21

You can have it.

SPEAKER_02 36:22

Yeah. There's no charge. Just don't charge him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 36:26

Obviously, had had the uh Sam Bush on got drone footage, but it hasn't been released yet.

SPEAKER_01 36:31

Real great podcast. That was phenomenal. That was phenomenal. That and that was wild. He was getting pistol kills under night vision. Pistol kills. That is insane. I'd never heard of that before.

SPEAKER_02 36:44

Bad man. He's a real bad bad yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:47

That's proper SF. Like, I'd I'dn't I I must obviously got in after him. He's an OG. And uh when I was listening to that, I was like, holy fuck, I I wish I knew about this earlier.

SPEAKER_04 36:58

Yeah, he ran over a dude. Yeah. He ran over a dude in a pit and they dropped a grenade in the pit. Yeah, yeah. Because these guys, the Taliban were it like we're completely going sidetracky.

SPEAKER_01 37:08

The Taliban were leapfrogging in front of them in front of them, setting uh ambushes up, and they'll just fight and withdraw like five kilometers driving over the gun pits and then the commander was dropping uh grenades into the gunpits and killing them on the way past, just casually murdering the rest of them. Yeah, and he got a Star of Gallantry for that, I believe. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:29

You know what I'd pay for? To just play that section to a room full of lefties.

SPEAKER_04 37:33

Man.

unknown 37:34

And watch them melt.

SPEAKER_04 37:36

Yeah, but they don't get it, do they? No. There was a page actually just on that. There was a page literally yesterday, it's called Anti-Cop. It's on uh Instagram. Oh yeah? I shared it on a story in there. What they do is they go to the all the recruitment branches and hand out flies to people to say don't join the police. Just absolute mouth breathers. They are because who are you gonna call? Like when when Mohammed none of their friends can fight. That's it. When Mohammed's knocking at your door with an AK, like who do you call? They're not even knocking. Do you call the fierys? Call Antifa.

SPEAKER_01 38:12

Drop it in the Antifa group chat. Help!

SPEAKER_02 38:16

It's madness. It's wild, man. I don't think I don't think they've ever actually thought of that point you just raised. Who are you gonna fucking call when shit hits the fan? Are you gonna call the fucking they them neighbor?

SPEAKER_04 38:28

And I've had so many cops on, and so many cops. Anyone out there, when you've got an incident, who do you literally everyone calls the cops? There's a fire. They call the cops. Everyone's like, oh fuck, call the police. Because the police are the the jack of all trades. They fix everything. That's their that's their role. Problem solvers. But the Antifa and these lefties, who are they gonna call? Ghostbusters, brus. Not even the Ghostbusters burnout. They're just mad.

SPEAKER_01 38:56

Oh fucking hell. It's wild. But who are you gonna call when the shit goes down? You know, I've got I was thinking about this. Um, a few people have hit me up, so obviously we've done a couple of podcasts, we've done a couple of debriefs on all things war crimes, and it's a red hot topic, but we've we've hit pause on that for a while because a lot of it's going through court now, so it started to heat up in the courtroom, and there's a lot of things going on in the background that we can't report on because it's all trial and pre-trial stuff, so we can't talk about it. But a lot of people say to me, Fuck, you you talk some shit about some real fucking uh some real experienced SAS veterans. Are there any good stories of what the SAS have done overseas that no one's said before? And there's podcasts come out. I'm looking here, there's a thousand books that have been written about different things that happened in Afghanistan. But there's a story that I heard when I was a young digger that summarized what special forces are actually meant to do and how they're meant to kill the bad dudes. So let me cast your minds back. It's 2011. There's a remote patrol base in in the Valley of Chora in Afghanistan where a lot of the uh a lot of the contacts ended up happening, a lot of bad dudes up that way. And there was um a patrol base there with grunts, and it was so remote that the boys were eating rations and you know, essentially MRE's dehydrated food for the last few months. They haven't had a fresh meal. So they sent a cook up there. They sent an army cook to the base, and his name was Lance Corporal Andrew Jones. And little Jones, he was just whipping up little feasts once a day, maybe just some basic food, but it gave the boys a bit of sustenance other than the dehydrated food. One day, and uh apologize to you know his family if they're listening, but this is what I heard. Um, he was standing there taking a piss after a long day's work away from his family in the middle of fucking nowhere in some shithole, and a Afghan soldier walked up alongside him while it's taking a piss and blew him away with an AK-47. So then that dude jumped the fence and ran away. He got away. So everyone knows about the story of Hek Metullah, and we talk about that a lot where he shot the three dudes playing cards. This is this is before that. This is 2011. So the dude got away, and it was the first time um in in the Australian um intelligence community that every single agency and military asset got together to find this piece of shit, and they called him Objective Morning Star. So Morning Star was was fled, he's run away. So ASIO, ACES, DFAT, the Army, SOCOM, ASD, everyone got together to do intelligence packages to find out where he went, and they found the piece of shit. And he was on the Afghan-Pakistan border. So the SAS that were over there in country, and I hope I'm not you know getting this too wrong for the boys that were there, had prepared everything. They they'd got their parachutes prepped to do a free fall insertion into that location to shoot that gun in the fucking head under ROE 429 Alpha. But the Australian government back in Canberra said, nah, nah, nah, boys, pause on that one. That is gonna look purely like a revenge mission. We're not letting you do it. We're not letting you do it. And I I have I've read a lot of books, I've heard a lot of podcasts, I've never heard anyone tell this story before, so I'm gonna tell it. It's not my story to tell. Frankly, I don't give a fuck. Because this is an example of how ROE 14 out alpha is used in battle and how it was used. So Australia said no, because it would look like a revenge mission. The whole campaign was a revenge mission for September 11. That's why we were there. So Australia got told no, but the SEALs, Navy SEALs, SEAL Team 6 development group said, I got you, fam. We'll do it. Because that's their area of operations as well. And under the same ROE 429 Alpha, they launched. And it was the two compounds where they'd located this dude. He's either in one or the other. So the boys get to these two compounds, went immediately there, cleared one compound, and there is no one inside it. And the intelligence is extremely suggesting he's in this next compound next door. What the Australian government didn't know is the best SAS operators in Australia get a two-year secondment over to SEAL Team 6 development group. So an officer, an SAS officer, who we talk a lot of shit about officers, but an SAS officer just happened to be on top of a ladder on that day attached to SEAL Team 6. So the SEAL team commander in the first compound said, Pause, everyone, stop right now. Aussie, get down off that ladder. You're gonna be the first dude in the door in the next compound. They paused the mission, mid-mission, to make sure that the Australian SAS member was the first dude into the next compound, and that he was. And he walked in, and Objective Morning Star left that night with a bullet in the back, in some some in the whereas the front of his head, the back of his head, it doesn't matter. Um, and that fellow walked out with a big smile on his face, and I want to personally thank him for what he did. He doesn't get the praise that he deserves. He's out now, and I hope one day he comes on uh on your podcast. But uh yeah, so that is how that ROE is meant to be used, and that's how it was used. And uh thank you for him for you know, for the family of Lance Corporal Andrew Jones and and all the soldiers that were at that remote patrol base that day. He he right at a wrong, and that's how we do it. That's how it can be used.

SPEAKER_04 44:34

100% shout out that hectic. We'll call him El Chapo. El Chapo. Yeah, but how good of the United States, and this is what I was talking about earlier about the United States just doing things a little bit different and against the fucking grain. You know what? They're just like, and the the thing is like if that was to come back to Donald Trump, Trump would be like, nah, great job, absolutely stellar, yeah, yeah, wonderful.

SPEAKER_03 45:02

He died like a dog. Normally they knock, normally they knock on the door, but the seals, they just blew it open. They blew the door open.

SPEAKER_01 45:13

And and and could that been a he could have been in a deep sleep, he could have been watering his flowers, he could have been making himself a birthday cake, doesn't matter. He was when when the SEALs launched that day, yeah, he his death warrant was signed. And that is how that works. And I've explained it on a few podcasts now, but there's just another good example of what the SAS have done in Afghanistan.

SPEAKER_04 45:38

Shout out. Yeah, right. That's fucking that that's interesting. And it was also interesting that you did refer to the fact and punching it back, the Australian government saying that Afghanistan won't Was basically we went there to retribution after 9-11.

SPEAKER_02 45:54

That's what we went for. It was retaliation.

SPEAKER_04 45:56

That's retaliation. That's what we did. Yeah. That's what we all served over there for. Yeah. It's to retaliate for fucking world war crimes. Yeah. Yeah. Play on.

SPEAKER_01 46:06

Play on. That was sick. That was a good story.

SPEAKER_04 46:08

That was a good that was a good yarn. That's that's like one of the that's a bedtime warring.

SPEAKER_01 46:12

Oh, yeah, it would have been if I had a podcast still. Yeah. I thought it was cool. And I and I heard that back. We all heard that back in the day. Even when I was in the regular army, people talked about that story as like if something bad does happen to you, the boys will whack him. But we didn't know the in-depth knowledge of that story until you know later on when I was kind of more involved in that world. But yeah, there you go. Well it's the same thing for you know, Hek Metullah.

SPEAKER_04 46:40

You spoke about Hek Mutullah, but same thing, the SAS went looking for a month. Whole month they they they shut down other jobs just to find this dude, yeah, which he already skipped fucking town and went to Pakistan. But yeah, they spent a month, and this is like I spoke about uh who do I have on the podcast? I had someone on a podcast most recently. Had someone on a podcast. Well, actually, all three of us up in prison. Funny. We're speaking about the Hecmatoula thing, and you know, the the the grunts that were there, because it was the third battalion battle group, I think, and those grunts were like they they seen the SAS come and they're like and Ben Robert Smith was one of them. And someone told me that they went to Ben Robert Smith and said, Mate, we need you to fucking get these cunts. And the boys fucking put down their fucking quad nods and yeah, jumped the fence and they were straight into it. Off they went. Weapons free. Yeah, 429 Alpha. Shout out, shout out to that uh to that rule.

SPEAKER_01 47:34

Hopefully he comes on, yeah. He um good on him, good on him. Fucking right, good on him. Him and all the other boys. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 47:40

All of them, all of them. You know, that's that's that's what that's isn't that what we wanted them to do? Isn't that what the the Australian government wanted them to do initially? Was go over there and again everyone revolves around the infantry. Everyone is a support staff to the infantry, but that was what the supporting staff did as SAR and Tukamado was go fight the stuff that you know the infantry couldn't do.

SPEAKER_01 48:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 48:02

Take on those targeted enemies.

SPEAKER_01 48:05

Yeah. And if you're a veteran out there, and we've talked about it before, and you're thinking, like, oh, you know, I don't know if I support what these boys have allegedly done overseas. Like, think about you were sitting in a gunpit on on your exercise in Kapuka or whatever you were doing in your career, and your your mate next to you is taking a piss and someone blows him away. What would you want and expect as as a mate, not just a soldier, but as a mate, as a section mate, as your teammate, your Oppo just got blown away. What do you expect the special forces to do in their hunt for that dude that killed your mate? Think of it that way. Don't think of it as like, well, you know, they should adhere to the rules of engagement, they just blew your mate away. What what do you expect them to do to him? And that's really answers your question as to why 429 Alpha was written.

SPEAKER_04 48:54

If you're a soft cunt that thinks that they should do nothing, especially over there in Afghanistan, but again, like this is insider attack as well. Exactly right. It's kind of what's happening here in Australia insider attack. Insider attack. Yeah, literally insider attacks. It's madness. That was sick. I'm I'm actually still mes mesmerized about that stuff. There was actually um, hang on. You can picture it. There is a this one. I was gonna use this.

SPEAKER_02 49:24

Cast your minds back to I was gonna play some motivational music over it as well.

SPEAKER_01 49:30

You can put some effects to that and cook up a reel if you want. There you go.

SPEAKER_04 49:33

And what else have you got uh in regards to all this stuff that's happening with Elvisar? Have you got any little, you know, we spoke pretty deeply on it last time we had a big chat and it went pretty pretty wild. And obviously on your podcast you had your big dick swinging in the in the breeze in Japan, and you know, if your stories come out, but you spoke about the war crime stuff. You know, where where do you see that going now? Obviously, they've just put in another fifty-five million dollars or something like that, or something stupid.

SPEAKER_01 50:00

Yeah, yeah. Nah, well, what we do know a lot, and there is a lot of good things happening, um, positive things, but unfortunately, the way that you know core court orders are written, we can't do anything at the moment. Um, but uh one thing I can say is that recently the OSI sent out a letter to all of the people that are affected um in Ben's trial and asked them, hey, do you guys still want protected identity status? And uh that's that's that's the latest sort of unclass thing we can talk about is they got offered anyone testifying for Ben or against Ben is entitled to protected identity status now. So um it's a shame uh because the guys that are gonna stand up and testify that Ben was a good bloke and he did do the right thing, they're all good cunts who are more than happy to walk outside the courtroom and show their face and yeah, hey, this is my name, this is what I do. Uh Ben's a good cunt. It's all the rats and weak cunts and dogs and pieces of shit from the unit. Parasites. Parasites that are gonna testify against him, they're the ones that actually want the protected identity because they've read the room. Uh, it's probably not just an echo chamber within our community. The whole of society thinks that anyone that testifies against uh a member of their own former teammate, whether they like them or or not, you're an absolute piece of shit. And they know that now. And uh yeah, that's probably why they want protected identity.

SPEAKER_04 51:26

Yeah, no, you're exactly right.

SPEAKER_02 51:27

Imagine being one of these rats looking at the way that Australia the Australian public has responded to IRS getting done. They would be shitting.

SPEAKER_01 51:36

And some of the some of them were brave in battle, right? Be brave now. Say, no, I don't need protected identity, I back myself. Right, yeah. Yeah, back yourself. Go, go, get on, chunk. Come on, come on, do it. Yeah, you won't do it, you weak dog. You are right. You weak gutted dog. Get Ricky Stewart out there for the press conferences. You're you weak gutted dog.

SPEAKER_04 51:58

But like you said, Choggy, the the support for BRS. Huge, man. Oh man monumental, monumental, monumental, like the the support, the political support, obviously, with One Nation, sure, but just people in general. Just people, man. Everyone, everyone. And you see it all over Facebook, you rarely see someone go, nah, he should be in prison.

SPEAKER_02 52:17

And it's funny, like the the cunts that do say online, oh, he's a fucking war criminal. Bro, you look at their posts and it's just everyone saying, You're a fucking dumb cunt, blah, blah, blah. You go do what he had to deal with, blah, blah, blah. You know, like they're they're a needle in the haystack, the people that don't like him. And the support is well and truly there. Yeah. Coming back to the OSI, I I know I've spoken about on the reel, we've spoken about it privately. For any listener that didn't know this, all the money that the OSI has been given has been redirected from the defense force budget. Just let that sink in for a second. So that $300 and whatever million dollars that has been taken away from defence, it's not a new debt that the government have cooked up. It's been taken from defence and given to the OSI.

SPEAKER_03 53:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:00

So anything that is happening within defense now where they need more money, well, just understand that that money has gone to the OSI instead. It's over $400 million now. There you go.

SPEAKER_04 53:09

Yeah, over $400 million. It's an awful lot of money. Interesting, yeah. And we just we just got some 19 fucking sixty-seven Apaches. What's the goal with that? Like I saw, you know, our our good friend Phil Tom Thompson put up something the other day. I'm like, I messed my messages and said, mate, they they were built in the fucking 70s. 1975, they come into service and we're just getting them now. What's going on?

SPEAKER_01 53:36

They were handy in Afghan because they were. Of course. The people who were fighting were retarded. So it was like, oh, oh, you're running around on the side of a giant mountain and we've got a thermal camera with a machine gun, a flying machine gunner. They were pretty handy to have. Yeah. But here, you know, I don't know. They're better than those shitty tigers or the MRH 90s that are, you know, just coral reefs off the side. But the other crazy part Sundays now.

SPEAKER_04 54:02

The other crazy part, you know, and like we spoke about uh with with Sam when I spoke about with Sam Bush about Op Nile, uh, they use two Australian uh Chinooks. But it to get that through the government and blah blah blah was such a pain in the ass. And we have all this asset here in Australia, airframes, all the black hawks, and we didn't use none of them. It'd be the same thing with the Apaches. We'll go to another war and then they'll just sit in the fucking hangar back in Australia, we won't even use them. That's the wildest part about all of it. Just wasted money. Because I'm sure there's some pilot that's gonna be sitting in that the army army pilot sitting there going, bro, let me add it.

SPEAKER_01 54:40

Yeah. When they're not on Coke up in town, remember when the whole of fifth aviation regimen got done for coke. Classic, classic defense force. Yeah, if you're gonna get drug tested at work and you know you're gonna piss hot, shave your head. Just just leave. Just leave. It's an A-Wall charge. An A-Wall charge is what, rompers, maybe seven days guard duty? What's the charge for pissing hot? Instant dismissal. Yeah, just le just walk out. Am I crazy thinking that? I've always thought it. I've never been in that situation. But like, say you're like, they're like, hey, pissing this cup in any job place, anywhere around the world, you know you're gonna piss hot. Just turn around and walk out. Family emergency. You're just gonna get charged with being a war. They're gonna take that day's pay off you, they're not gonna fire you. Am I crazy in thinking that? Tips and tricks are like yeah. Your warrant office is like, hey, piss in this cup, and you're like, oh man, I'm actually on on some peppies or I'm on some some tests where it's actually gonna flag up. Just leave.

SPEAKER_04 55:50

Just leave. Just take the charge, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:52

Yeah, because you know if you piss hot, yeah, if you know if you piss in that cup, it's gonna be instant removal because there's a zero tolerance for drugs. Just turn around and walk out.

SPEAKER_04 56:01

Yeah. Yeah. It's like, is this is this a new concept? Well, yeah, just don't come back. I just literally just had Sean Preston on uh one of my mates on Trier. He pissed hot. Oh no, he did he piss, yeah, he pissed hot for steroids and he just left. He went AWOL. Yeah, and just never came back. And then now just sold his company for multi-million of dollars. Yeah. Set for the rest of his life. Yeah. So just leave.

SPEAKER_01 56:26

Yeah, just leave. Say, oh, sorry, message the boss. Hey, sorry, family emergency had to go. I'll I'll accept the charge of AWOL when I get back, but I might be a week or two. Come back cleanly shaven, fucking looking like a you just walked out of Chernobyl or whatever. And then, yeah, fucking, oh, join me to piss in that cup now, no dramas. And then just take your seven days in the guard. And the whole time you're sitting in the guard hut for seven days, like, oh my god, I got away with it. Instead of looking for a new job. There's just gonna be diggers just going, hey, well.

SPEAKER_02 56:57

All the boys they're not showing up to work on Monday.

SPEAKER_04 57:01

Where's the whole platoon? Oh, Scojo said just go on. Scojo said just go on. Yeah. What's the worst game when you get a detox five days' rompers?

SPEAKER_01 57:09

Hit the sauna.

SPEAKER_04 57:13

Fuck at hell. All right, boys. Uh, I guess that is uh time on the chat. That was good. That was good. There's a lot of lot of topics to cover there, and like I said, with chock, you know, every every single day you're putting out content, but it's the content gods, which is the AK Australian government, that's delivering every single day. They just land, let it let it land every day. Yeah, they come out with something stupid or the media does something stupid.

SPEAKER_02 57:39

If the government were good at their job, I'd be out of mine. Yeah. Simple. All the media.

SPEAKER_04 57:43

All the media.

SPEAKER_02 57:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 57:44

I'd be out of my job. And actually, just quickly, just on the media, obviously a few weeks ago, that girl that was missing hiking. Yep, yep, yep, yep. We thought channel seven, you know, everyone thought channel seven was pretty good. And then when they hired Ben Robert Smith and he was general manager, and channel seven was the bees. And then they come out a couple of weeks ago and absolutely bamboozle everyone and be proud of it, it's madness.

SPEAKER_02 58:06

Yeah, it was wild man. They showed the footage, they showed the footage of her family celebrating the fact that she'd been found alive, yet she was not in fact alive. Which are also another Chris Minnes fuck up, which is oh, just just that's just a monumental fuck up. But then you think about how how the fuck can Channel 7 put up imagery of a family celebrating knowing or thinking their daughter's alive when it's false? That's heartless, man. Absolutely. That's heartless fucking heartless. Like, there's no, you know, like we we know the media is very low and they stoop all the time, but that that was a new level, in my opinion. It was dark.

SPEAKER_04 58:41

And I spoke to, and I'm sure you probably did too, you know, there's a couple of journos out there, news readers, etc., that we know through channel seven, channel nine, all of them, all the channels, and even they're just like how to like why this guy was apparently this journey has like been in like six months too. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 58:59

Like what his and the terminology not the terminology, the the way that he said it. That he said um they thought he was they thought she was alive, but they were in fact dead wrong. Yeah. Come on, man.

SPEAKER_04 59:13

Dead wrong. But who's the edit? Isn't that editor or producer? Like, is there someone that stamps, you know, at the end of the day, like the journey pr produces his story, and then the producer goes, Nah, bro. Yeah, it's not fucking happening.

SPEAKER_02 59:24

And he was reading that to the ABC. Reading from his page as well. Like, I'm not knocking the kid because like you can tell he's young and he's inexperienced. But someone should have stepped in.

SPEAKER_04 59:32

Like, you're dealing with signs off on that.

SPEAKER_02 59:35

You're dealing with a story of a girl who has lost her life, and then they've been told incorrect news, which is then corrected, and you want to give a junior the job. Yeah, that's like sending a fucking grunt out to do RS's job. Yeah, we're exactly right. Yeah, it's not it's not gonna happen. It doesn't work, does it?

SPEAKER_04 59:54

I'll I'd fuck up hundreds of them. But it look, I reckon just quickly, well, we've got a couple more minutes, quickly on that story from a few weeks ago. Yeah, you know, it's there were so many monumental fuck-ups with that whole thing. You know, she spent eight days out there, yeah. You know, they enacted the army eventually, but it was like on the seventh day or you know, why isn't this happening after you know 48 hours or something? You know, and I had we spoke about uh, you know, we're up in Brisbane, we had uh Matthew Bryan with us and spent 10, 12 years in New South Wales rescue, and we asked him, like, he was the best person to ask. So I mean he's dealt with hundreds of these rescues. We asked him, like, what are the chances of you know uh quickly enacting, you know, maybe the military or using contractors? He said, Yeah, there was times where we used contractors. We reached out to you know, experienced hikers and said, We've got a couple of missing people. Do you mind just coming out and give us a couple? Go on bush, and that's what they should be doing, reaching out to Clancy Roberts, wayfinder skills, shout out, guys like that. He could navigate the fucking bush blindfolded. You know, they're the type of people we should be reaching out to. But if you've got a batane or choco unit sitting at Holesworthy less than three, four, five hours away, call, give them a call. Yeah, I need a hundred fucking diggers because Australian diggers, that is our bread and fucking butter is navigation in the bush. Fucking oath. Even if we got lost, which it has happened once before, I've been out in the snow. We had to sit back to back with someone, Mick Albright, shout out. Freezing all night long because our second commander got us lost. We found our way eventually, but we we survived because there's obviously eight of us, and we got the technology, but um why don't they they do this quicker? I mean, I understand there's political levels, but this is where Chris means should take control.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:49

Yeah, get get rid of the dig swinging between the different fucking agencies and just understand that there is someone lost in the bush who gives a fuck who finds them. You want to find them alive.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:58

And if it's a young female or uh an elderly person, I can guarantee you no digger in this country will be upset that they're out there looking for a young lady or a child or an elderly person who might be hurt or lost. If it's a grown ass man who can fucking use his own legs, fair enough. The diggers will be like, oh my god, we're getting recalled for leave for this. But I'm telling you, as a politician, as a minister, the diggers will not mind if a young girl or a child is is missing in the bush, they will do it. They're getting paid anyway. We're on a full-time sales, well, not me, but the diggers are on a full-time salary, they're more than happy to go out there, and they're the best people for the job. Either a mix of of diggers, SES, and probably Aboriginals with good bushcraft. Like you send the Murrays and Curries in there, bro. They're the best for the job, man. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:50

Have you you worked with North Force? Nah. Fuck man, they're epic. Yeah, yeah. I heard, yeah, they're epic. There's an there's an North Force battalion up um northern, you know, Darwin area, and they do all the reconnaissance of all the islands. They literally just send, you know, a section of Aboriginals out, they got their rifles, they've got everything, and they just live off the lands for like three months. They just live off the lands, you know, and just and there's like they're our forward warning for uh the illegal uh illegal boats that come through. Yeah, right. They're airpic. But like like we said, they know the bush like crazy. Yeah, unlike us, we'd eat some berries like, oh, that's that's that's burning. Corporal, I got ass pissed. But yeah, like it's just and and I think we just spoke about it before Chris Minns was sitting in question time, looks back to one of his staffers and goes, Oh yeah, we found her.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:43

Yeah, yeah. She's alive. Is this is this correct? He asked if this is correct. Is this correct? Yes, told, yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:48

Mate, what are you fucking doing? Yeah, man. Take a second. This is your fucking house. Walk outside, call the fucking police commissioner. Yeah, hey, mate, is this true? Is this true? Find out for me before I say something on fucking qu in question time.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:02

In question time on fucking YouTube. To then have to retract your statement 40 minutes later. Fucking embarrassing.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:08

And I I hope her family takes channel seven and and the government to fucking the hills on this.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:13

Send them through the fucking ringer, man. So that's a big mistake. Yeah, it's a huge mistake, man. Terrible, crazy. And then they're even in question time, they were asked, like, why don't we have a quick response like rescue team for the bush? And I believe we should. Like, look at the size of our country. I mean, there are there's heaps of technology out there, but if you're dealing with kids, the kids don't know about the tech to fucking be found. So why don't we have something like that? This is the fucking perfect country to have it. I'm sure they have it in places like Canada where there's heaps of fucking forest and whatever. There is. So why don't we have it fucking here? That's it. Dry, hot, bush, fast.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:49

Yep. If make it and you can make it a private organization as share it, wife wayfinder. Clancy, get onto it, mate. Find find, you know, start a business. But reach out to drone pilots. Fucking hair. I've got a drone, literally, when I go pig hunting, it's got this really cool feature where I can uh zone it on my screen rather than using the thermal because the thermal doesn't work too well when it's obviously uh thick book thick brush. It gives me the temperature, so I'll see the temperature variation. So when it's flying over a thing, it'll see, you know, say late at night's 10, 11 degrees, and then all of a sudden I'll see a 16, 70 degrees. Like, oh I'll fucking do a circle, I'll bang, bang, bang, and then there's more. I'm like, holy that there's pigs. There's you could reach out to hundreds of drone operators, shut down that airspace, and say, We want every drone out there possible, do what you can. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:41

Just have a grid, like you fly north to south in these in this quadrant of the map, and I'll go this way, and then we'll just keep boxing until we find out.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:49

And all professional, obviously, this is professional drone operators, not fucking young John Smith that's got a little fucking DJI fucking mini. Yeah, you know, like no thermal or anything.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:59

Or we could just call the Chinese council have been buzzing raft based Williamtown. Okay, hey, all those 30 drones that were flying around the F-35s, could you just could you help us out? We'll pay you. We'll give you fucking Megorings.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:11

Surely there's a way as well. I know fuck all about drones. Surely there's a way as well for one person to be able to control plenty of them these days.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:18

Well, they did. Yeah. Well, yeah, drone drone shows possible. Yeah, it is possible.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:24

So then if you incorporate the tech into getting a bunch of fucking drones under one person's control to search a place, you don't need a hundred people to do that.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:33

We got those big fucking wedge tail looking ones, what do they call them? And yeah, they're proper, like that's they're hundreds of thousands of millions of dollars, those drones, rather than me using my little ten thousand dollar one. I'm sure they could probably call up a couple of drone pilots from the military and go bring out your stuff. Yeah, not hard. It's not hard.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:50

Good training and it's for a good cause.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:52

Good cause, and you yeah, you're not gonna say it's crazy that a good cause doesn't warrant this happening in our country as well. Like it shows how little they actually care. Yeah. Like I'm not I'm not taking a uh dig at the police and the SES like looking. It's more so the people calling the shots for who can go and do what and who can enact what powers. Like if you want to find someone, man, they they've they're very good at finding bin Laden. You know, they're very good at finding people that are up to nefarious shit, but if it's a missing person's in the bush, it seems that there's less level of care. Yeah. When there's when there's an innocent life on the line, you know?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:28

Yeah. And on the news, like say they had a found Lily. They didn't say who, they never say who. Oh, it was John O from the SES has found Lily. It just just it's just like she was found. That's right. So it doesn't matter who finds her. No, there's no dick swinging.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:42

Yeah, who cares? We just want to hear that the individual is home safe.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:45

Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Lily's back at home smashing beers with her mates. That's that's all we want to hear. That's that's yeah, that's the news we all hope for. RIP Lil Dog.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:54

RIP Lily. Yeah, mate. That's the that's the government we have right now, and we've just spoken about it for the last hour. Just it's and I I hope there is a change in the next or Melbourne's Victoria's come up to their state elections. November 26th or 28th, one or the other. No, it's 27. Oh, is it 27? 27 or 26? 26, sorry, this year. Yeah, this year. But I mean the date, the date. Yeah, uh something like that. And then uh and then obviously ours March. So if you're out there, just make the make the right decision. Just don't vote for Labour. Don't vote mate, I'd I'd even extend that to Liberal. Just don't vote for both. Like, honestly, I I don't I don't really back too many parties out there, but don't don't don't even look at like fuck man, it's killing us.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:36

Understand where the preferential vote goes.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:38

Yes, big thing, which you will be doing a video.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:42

I'm gonna do something on it. I have to. How to vote. How to vote. Chucky's how to vote. It's gonna be awfully exciting, but we need to do it.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:50

Right, boys. Uh thank you. Let them all.